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Post by Stitch on Mar 19, 2020 3:54:34 GMT
OK, so I've been theorizing about the challenge and this is the rough draft of what I have so far: INSERT NAME ----------------------------- Stats STRENGTH:61 SAVVINESS:8 SOCIABILITY:31 --------------------------------- TC Strategy: If the total number of votes received by all bots is 0 (ie it's the first round): Vote for whichever bot has the highest Strength If Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest Sociability & Strength If Still Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots
If the total number of votes received by all bots is greater than 0: Assign each bot a variable "X" that's initialized at 0 For each bot, add 20 to "X" for each vote they've received For each bot, add 2 to "X" for each vote they've cast against INSERT NAME For each bot, subtract 1 from "X" for each round they've voted the same way as INSERT NAME Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X" If Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X" and Strength If Still Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X", Strength, and Sociability -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jury Strategy: Vote for the bot who voted the same way as INSERT NAME the most often If Tied, Vote for the bot who received the most votes overall If Still Tied, Vote for the bot who won the most challenges If Still Still Tied, Vote for the bot with the highest Strength If Still Still Still Tied, Vote for the bot with the highest Sociability Basically, the point of the bot is to try to lay low until the later challenges, where winning will be much more important given how few bots will be left over, prioritizing taking out bots who received the most votes to try to vote with the "majority" and make sure we last as long as possible. For the jury strategy I just decided to stick to voting for our "buddies" who worked with us on the most votes, followed by whoever endeared the most hardships (got the most votes) and whoever won the most challenges.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 19, 2020 5:22:52 GMT
Is the plan to rely on luck to survive the first two TCs? There probably isn't a reliable way to survive to the end, so I'm fine with that I guess. I'm worried about only 61 strength, but not sure if I want to increase it. Another bot could easily have more strength, but that could also make it a target for votes. This kind of all feels like luck. The first TC strategy looks solid to me. I think we should try getting out a high strength score on the second TC too. I believe we could set an instruction to vote for the highest strength if that strength's higher than ours and include the savviness tiebreaker. Do you think other bots will care about voting with the majority? I think voting for bots that voted for ours might be more important, but I'm not sure. As for the jury part, I'm fine with whatever you want. It matters for the challenge, but it won't matter for us since we have to lose before those instructions matter.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 19, 2020 19:13:51 GMT
Essentially, yeah, but statistically speaking we should be fine 75% of the time the first round and 66% the second round. Actually now that I think about it I might want to try to make an exception for the last round to go after whoever's most likely to get the most votes, but I'm not sure how much we can account for that given I have no idea what the other bot's jury strategies would look like. My line of thinking is that voting for whoever received the most votes is best for survivalism since I doubt bots would be changing targets all that much between rounds, so it's basically to "predict" where the votes are heading and make sure there's a majority on anyone but us, though I guess that only really matters for F4. I'm going to workshop it more later, but it might be a bit tough to find the time between work, so feel free to make any tweaks you'd like as well.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 20, 2020 1:46:19 GMT
What changes do you have in mind? Your explanation for the voting strategy makes sense, so I'm fine withdrawing my objection there. Your initial draft looks solid in general, so I'm hesitant to change anything now that my issue has been addressed.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 20, 2020 7:54:55 GMT
Uggghh, sorry, I had a really late shift tonight. I'll try to make some adjustments in the morning, but I probably won't have time for much. I think I might just work on the voting strategy a bit more, maybe add an exception for the last round to try to game the jury votes a bit better, but I don't think that'll matter too much.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 20, 2020 16:20:19 GMT
Name:Deforester
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Stats
STRENGTH:67
SAVVINESS:2 SOCIABILITY:31
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TC Strategy:
If the total number of votes recieved by all bots, including Deforester, is 0 (ie it's the first round):
>If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote
>If at least one bot has higher Strength than Deforester:
>>Vote for whicher bot has the highest Strength
>>If Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest Strength & Sociability
>>If Still Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots
>Else:
>>Vote for whichever bot has the highest Sociability
>>If Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots
Else, If no bot, including this one, has won challenge 3 yet (ie the round number is less than 3):
>If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote
>Assign each bot a variable "X" that's initialized at 0
>For each bot, add 20 to "X" for each vote they've recieved
>For each bot, add 2 to "X" for each vote they've casted against Deforester
>For each bot, subtract 1 from "X" for each round they've voted the same way as Deforester
>Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X"
>If Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X" and Strength
>If Still Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X", Strength, and Sociability
>If Still Still Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots
Else:
>If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote
>Vote for whichever bot won the most challenges
>If Tied, vote for whichever bot recieved the least amount of votes
>If Still Tied, vote for whichever bot voted in the majority the most
>If Still Still Tied, Vote for a random bot
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Jury Strategy:
Vote for the bot who voted the same way as Deforester the most often
If Tied, Vote for the bot who recieved the most votes overall
If Still Tied, Vote for the bot who won the most challenges
If Still Still Tied, Vote for the bot with the highest Strength
If Still Still Still Tied, Vote for the bot with the highest Sociability
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Mischealenous Notes/Clairifactions:
-"If Tied / Still Tied" means if two or more bots are tied for the highest/most <insert> stat from the previous statement (ie highest strength)
-"Bot" is a shorthand for Survivorbot Alright, here's my latest revision for the bot. Basically I just rewrote a bit of the code and made it a bit easier to read, the most important changes is some tweaking to the first TC and creating an extra block at the end for if we win the F3 challenge to try to get rid of someone who will be the biggest threat to us at jury. I'm not going to say it's final just yet in case you have any objections, but I don't have any more time to make any major tweakings to it since I'll be at work fairly soon and that'll extend through deadline. If you don't have any objections or see any major flaws then I can confirm it as final during my lunch break, or you can do it yourself if you'd like.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 20, 2020 16:23:16 GMT
Ugggh I hate when it spaces it out like that. Oh also, I took away some points from Saviness and upped it's Strength a bit more. I didn't want it at 1 since there's a chance bots might check that low. I'm going to try to post it one more time to see if it'll come out cleaner this time. Name:Deforester ----------------------------- Stats STRENGTH:67 SAVVINESS:2 SOCIABILITY:31 --------------------------------- TC Strategy: If the total number of votes recieved by all bots, including Deforester, is 0 (ie it's the first round): >If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote >If at least one bot has higher Strength than Deforester: >>Vote for whicher bot has the highest Strength >>If Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest Strength & Sociability >>If Still Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots >Else: >>Vote for whichever bot has the highest Sociability >>If Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots Else, If no bot, including this one, has won challenge 3 yet (ie the round number is less than 3): >If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote >Assign each bot a variable "X" that's initialized at 0 >For each bot, add 20 to "X" for each vote they've recieved >For each bot, add 2 to "X" for each vote they've casted against Deforester >For each bot, subtract 1 from "X" for each round they've voted the same way as Deforester >Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X" >If Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X" and Strength >If Still Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X", Strength, and Sociability >If Still Still Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots Else: >If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote >Vote for whichever bot won the most challenges >If Tied, vote for whichever bot recieved the least amount of votes >If Still Tied, vote for whichever bot voted in the majority the most >If Still Still Tied, Vote for a random bot -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jury Strategy: Vote for the bot who voted the same way as Deforester the most often If Tied, Vote for the bot who recieved the most votes overall If Still Tied, Vote for the bot who won the most challenges If Still Still Tied, Vote for the bot with the highest Strength If Still Still Still Tied, Vote for the bot with the highest Sociability ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mischealenous Notes/Clairifactions: -"If Tied / Still Tied" means if two or more bots are tied for the highest/most <insert> stat from the previous statement (ie highest strength) -"Bot" is a shorthand for Survivorbot
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Post by Stitch on Mar 20, 2020 21:24:56 GMT
I've double checked it and am pretty comfortable with our bot. Ted, whenever you get on you can double check it and make whatever changes you feel necessary and mark it as final. I'll pop back in again in about two hours so I'll check it once more if you haven't popped in by then.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 20, 2020 23:38:24 GMT
Name:Deforester ----------------------------- Stats STRENGTH:67 SAVVINESS:2 SOCIABILITY:31 --------------------------------- TC Strategy: If the total number of votes recieved by all bots, including Deforester, is 0 (ie it's the first round): >If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote >If at least one bot has higher Strength than Deforester: >>Vote for whicher bot has the highest Strength >>If Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest Strength & Sociability >>If Still Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots >Else: >>Vote for whichever bot has the highest Sociability >>If Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots Else, If no bot, including this one, has won challenge 3 yet (ie the round number is less than 3): >If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote >Assign each bot a variable "X" that's initialized at 0 >For each bot, add 20 to "X" for each vote they've recieved >For each bot, add 2 to "X" for each vote they've casted against Deforester >For each bot, subtract 1 from "X" for each round they've voted the same way as Deforester >Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X" >If Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X" and Strength >If Still Tied, Vote for whichever bot has the highest "X", Strength, and Sociability >If Still Still Tied, Vote for a random bot within the tied bots Else: >If a bot is immune, or won the challenge for the current round, remove them from consideration for the vote >Vote for whichever bot won the most challenges >If Tied, vote for whichever bot recieved the least amount of votes >If Still Tied, vote for whichever bot voted in the majority the most >If Still Still Tied, Vote for a random bot -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jury Strategy: Vote for the bot who voted the same way as Deforester the most often If Tied, Vote for the bot who recieved the most votes overall If Still Tied, Vote for the bot who won the most challenges If Still Still Tied, Vote for the bot with the highest Strength If Still Still Still Tied, Vote for the bot with the highest Sociability ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mischealenous Notes/Clairifactions: -"If Tied / Still Tied" means if two or more bots are tied for the highest/most <insert> stat from the previous statement (ie highest strength) -"Bot" is a shorthand for Survivorbot ^ This is our final submission, in the spoiler. There's no guarantee I'll be able to pop back in again until deadline, so you can feel free to change it as you like if you notice anything super off, Ted.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 21, 2020 17:27:29 GMT
Woooooo!!!
Alright, I've been doing some thinking at work and here's where I'm at right now. I'm thinking we basically have to win out till the end, because I feel we kind of overtaken 3 in challenge prowess, and since were basically the top two threats I don't see how we can avoid nomination next round, unless of course we win the next challenge as well. I think we have to take a shot at 3 this round. I'll also like 12 gone as well in hopes that 3 gets repaired with Tetra, but I can see merit in going after 8 as well. I have zero clue what's going on with the vote and probably won't until I get home, so if you know anything about what's going on that'll be great.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 21, 2020 23:38:59 GMT
OK, just some new information that's coming in. Zod says that the vote right now is between him and D10, and based on how desperate he comes across it seems like it's leaning more towards D3, though I won't know that for sure until I get the chance to PM more people. I'm more inclined to let people vote off Zod than nominate him directly myself, though if the tides turn I do probably want him on the chopping block one way or another. Do you have any preference when it comes to the vote or nominations?
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Post by Stitch on Mar 22, 2020 0:53:35 GMT
According to Zod, he and D8 are voting D3 whereas D10/D12 are voting D10, leaving us as the tiebreaker for this round.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 22, 2020 0:55:12 GMT
You're an absolute legend. Way to kick robot ass.
If the vote is going toward District 3, then we should nominate whoever would hamstring the survivor most in future challenges, right? That's between District 10 and District 12. I'm leaning toward nominating District 10 because I feel like they're more likely to try to get us out if we're not immune than District 12 would be, but I'm not solid on that.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 22, 2020 0:59:28 GMT
If we backstab District 3 here, the survivor for sure nominates us if they win next round. I think District 8 would nominate us as well. Do you think District 10 or 12 would?
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Post by Stitch on Mar 22, 2020 1:04:12 GMT
Well, it looks like the vote is tied as of now, but it might not even stay that way. D12 tends to have an itch to shift towards the majority, so if 3/8 leaks that we'd be "voting" 10 they might actually flip towards that way as well, though I'm not positive about that. I guess if we just straight up nominate one of D10/D3 we won't have to worry about any of that. But like on a personal level I'm more inclined to keep around D10 due to liking both Ulysses and Tracer. The thing is though if we can't knock out Zod I'd at least like to nerf him, and I feel being paired with either Wenya/Tetra would hinder his performance more than either of Ulysses/Tracer. Though maybe not actually, hmmmm. I think after this round everybody's going to be gunning for us regardless, except maybe not Zod but that doesn't matter anyhow since he'd only be one vote, so like I just want to give us the best possible chance for us to comp beast through the rest of the game.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 22, 2020 1:06:04 GMT
District 10 or 12 would absolutely nominate us, and if they don't they'd just nominate 3, leaving us the biggest target in the game to just be voted out the same round, 'cus I really doubt that 3 would choose us over 8 in either scenario.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 22, 2020 1:09:33 GMT
So we're in danger no matter what, meaning we should just take out the biggest threat, right? Then cool, let's get District 3 out of here. I'm going to look at old challenge results real quick.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 22, 2020 1:13:17 GMT
I mean I don't see a world where we aren't in danger given we just won the last two immunities in a row. Yeah, I'm set on D3, but I'm not entirely sold on who the second should be.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 22, 2020 1:13:36 GMT
District 12 definitely look weaker than District 10.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 22, 2020 1:15:08 GMT
Weird, Susan just told me there's a rumor that Zod wants Ulysses as his partner.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 22, 2020 1:16:31 GMT
I agree, but I don't know whether it's better to leave D12 intact since they'll almost always lose or try to pair them up with the remains of D3 to hinder them further. And it seems like Wenya is considerably better at challenges than Tetra, though I'll have to double check that soon, so a Zod/Wenya pair in worst case scenario might not be all that better than Zod/Ulysses or Zod/Tracer.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 22, 2020 1:17:56 GMT
Yes, that's true, Zod even told Ulysses that himself earlier as Ulysses confessed to me. Though I don't know how genuine that actually is, ie if Zod's just lying to them.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 22, 2020 1:19:12 GMT
If I recall correctly, Wenya took the blame for their terrible performance in the drawing challenge. Maybe that was a one-time thing though.
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Post by Ted Cruz on Mar 22, 2020 1:21:02 GMT
The District 3 survivor being with someone that isn't terrible at challenges could help paint a target on their back, actually. I'm warming up to the idea of leaving District 12 intact and sending District 10 in.
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Post by Stitch on Mar 22, 2020 1:21:10 GMT
From the very first round during the spot the difference challenge I remember Wenya blamed Tapu for their bad performance, and Wenya herself seemed pretty capable at it.
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