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Post by Kirby on Mar 22, 2020 0:17:33 GMT
Ulysses would be correct. Zod wants Ulysses as a partner because Zod wants to eliminate Ulysses in final 3 and as far as I know wants to be with Me/Stitch/Tetra in final 2.
So the current state of the game is that everyone wants Zod as their partner going in to the final 2. District 7 is the only ones that don't know Tetra is as strong if not stronger than Zod.
If Zod and Ulysses end up together then it will be a mad dash to pair with Zod which D7 obviously are aiming for. However Zod wants to pair with Ulysses in final 4 not final 5. Basically Zod wants insurance for if they are sent to eliminator in a revolving door.
My proposition is to convince D7 to lock in sending D12. We send in D3, put Zod and Tetra together and everyone will be working together to split them up. It ensures that if they don't win both remaining immunity challenges, one of the two big threats is gone and it opens it up to be anyone's game. However, if Zod and Tetra win both immunity challenges, it is over for everyone else. I think I am better at paired challenges too than solo ones, so I think we as a pairing and D7 as a pairing both have a shot at beating Zod and Tetra only ever in paired challenges even though that is low. It's going to be a 2v1 though, potentially a 3v1 if there is a challenge that looks a bit like the one where Ulysses and Tracer came out alive, which makes sense to me as the kind of thing to throw in final 4.
I think that in terms of either of us winning this game, or potentially winning together, we need one of Zod or Tetra gone, putting them together is the best chance. If they can run the gauntlet of winning three challenges in a row, then power to them, they 100% deserve to win.
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Post by Susan on Mar 22, 2020 0:17:49 GMT
I suppose I was in the place of we hit one of the strong pairs and put them with someone not so strong maybe after, rinse repeat. Like, 12 and 10, hit 7 and 3. I really wanted to hit 7 now, not gonna lie.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 22, 2020 0:20:10 GMT
Yeah, from what Zod has told me, Stitch is carrying that. I think Zod's power rankings has Me/Stitch/Tetra as his final 2 options. I have no conviction in being able to beat you in the eliminator though so I'd like to try and stay together and find a way to have a weak pair against us.
I think our road to victory in an ideal with is D12/D3 this vote, Hybrid/D7 next vote, then D10 and Hybrid in the last vote. And we are likley against Tetra/Tracer in final 2. That's a lot of ifs, but it a route to winning that keeps us together.
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Post by Susan on Mar 22, 2020 0:21:15 GMT
Ahhh, that is... all incredibly fair actually. I did have a similar sell from Zod that included him wanting me/you/ted there. But I had gotten a bit of maybe having a weak partner is all good enough and preferred. That one of the three of us/D7/him needed to take some kind of hit to make it out of here.
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Post by Susan on Mar 22, 2020 0:23:26 GMT
That is a pretty decent road all things considered. Dirtier than I would like, but it's pretty fair. Will you actually be around near this deadline btw? I won't be.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 22, 2020 0:31:01 GMT
I will be, I can change the vote if I get confirmation of the D12 nomination.
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Post by Susan on Mar 22, 2020 0:40:30 GMT
Yeah. You may be very right in your assessment. I am still thinking it out, but I will trust you and leave the decision to you. Like, strategically, I can't see a real flaw in anything you've said. But if we're going with the fact that I've really wanted to be playing with people I like and trust, voting Zod ruins that. But I do want to win this game, I just hoped to be able to do it cleanly as much as possible.
I'm talking to Stitch atm, and he says he hasn't heard from Ted and is leaning 12 atm, so idk about that one there.
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Post by Susan on Mar 22, 2020 4:38:19 GMT
I'm off for now, but 12 is confirmed as far as I can tell. If you think we need to change it, go for it.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 22, 2020 5:27:10 GMT
Okies, I am here, I'll carry us through.
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Post by Susan on Mar 22, 2020 7:54:15 GMT
Oh wow did you know that 7 was going to put them up?
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Post by Kirby on Mar 22, 2020 7:55:56 GMT
Neither did I. Ted was on right at the end of the voting time though.
So it may have been a last minute move.
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Post by Susan on Mar 22, 2020 8:08:53 GMT
I did have a chat with Ted which may have accidentally influenced that, whoops. I told him what I saw the lay of the land to be and he asked me if Zod had set up the vote split on purpose with Stitch or something. So it is possible that Ted didn't trust what was happening at all, or they realized how tempting stabbing 3 truly was. I'll see what I can get out of either of them.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 22, 2020 8:26:48 GMT
Well this makes our end game worse.
We have three choices from here.
Send in Hybrid and 12 next round. Pray to god either us or D7 wins immunity in final 3. Send in D7 and Hybrid. Then throw D12 and Us. The winner of our eliminator is in a strong position paired with Tetra. Send in D7 and D12. Then throw in the Hybrid and Us, same as before but paired with Tetra or Stitch.
None of them sound good.
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Post by Susan on Mar 22, 2020 8:58:51 GMT
I don't like that, nope. Ugh. I wasn't expecting it at all. They'd shown no inclination they'd do this before, so like, hmm.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 22, 2020 21:27:27 GMT
I think I have worked out their plan. I think given they won again they are feeling confident in their ability to win as a pair. Something we are not. So they have gone either we get to final 2 or they face off in the eliminator, so they provide themselves the best chance of getting a good partner out of it without having to worry about a Zod or a Tetra on the other side due to confidence. So this scenario isn't as dire for them as it is for us.
Like sure we are probably good enough to beat any pair in a challenge that suits us, but gets really dicey.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 22, 2020 21:28:35 GMT
Hey maybe zod gets knocked out and the entire things is turned on its head.
I think if Fenrir gets out, our ideal next eliminator is D7 and the new Hybrid.
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Post by Susan on Mar 23, 2020 0:33:27 GMT
Ted says that they had decided to do this a while ago and theorized that 10 was the best way to cripple 3, who was the strongest pair in the game. And didn't want people shifting to vote out 12 to adjust to their decision for... some reason. I don't think it's because they feel confident but rather that they don't.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 23, 2020 1:13:45 GMT
I think they just had no idea that Tetra is likely the strongest individual player in the game.
Saving grace is she may not work well with others. I think there is a world where we send the Hybrid and D7 in the eliminator in final four. Then send that Hyrbid and us in the eliminator in final three and whoever of us wins the eliminator is almost certainly winning the whole thing considering how poorly Wenya has performed.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 23, 2020 1:14:43 GMT
The problem is that to keep a poor player in the game, we would need to go to the eliminator to stop them being eliminated.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 23, 2020 1:15:30 GMT
Hey maybe we are stupid levels of in sync and manage to just win everything from here and leave the game screaming we are the champions at the top of our lungs.
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Post by Susan on Mar 23, 2020 2:36:54 GMT
Hey maybe we are stupid levels of in sync and manage to just win everything from here and leave the game screaming we are the champions at the top of our lungs.
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Post by Susan on Mar 23, 2020 3:22:25 GMT
Lol Tetra being all, "so you got a plan?"
Is not dying a plan? I think it's a plan.
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Post by Kirby on Mar 23, 2020 3:37:09 GMT
Honestly, I'm just hoping we get some unexpected elimination results in final four or final three. That could help.
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Post by Susan on Mar 23, 2020 3:51:54 GMT
Yeaaah. Like, we can plan scenarios, but challenge results and elimination results are what it comes down to here. Which I mean, that's the game, no? It's challenges and adapting all the way down. This ain't Survivor, planning along those kind of lines is silly. This is much more like Endurance. You have a bunch of voting options and combinations to try to maximize your chances, and pray the dice rolls in your favor. And results SHOULD have an effect on how you plan and play.
So speaking of, what hybrid is best, which is worst? I think Fenrir and Tracer is probably an easy to put back pair, right? Zod and Ulysses is probably also fine? Though a lot of salt will exist. Fenrir Ulysses probably whatever. Zod Tracer also probably okay. Zod would be pointed right at D7 probs?
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Post by Kirby on Mar 23, 2020 4:31:47 GMT
So in terms of end game strat it is hard to tell. I think if we go down the path of trying to get one of us the win and possibly not winning together then we probably want Fenrir and to try and get Tetra or Stitch as the partner.
I think overall, Tracer has shown a moment of brilliance in the spot the difference which is both a good eye for detail challenge, and a communication challenge. So she is much scarier than Ulysses. So I think ideally it goes Fenrir/Ulysses > Fenrir/Tracer > Zod/Ulysses > Zod/Tracer.
If we are trying to win the game ourselves, then I think we'd prefer Tracer with Zod as she has a chance of knocking Zod out in the eliminator if she gets a challenge she is good with.
As such I think Zod/Tracer is most likely, and I would like to see the Hybrid and D7 in the eliminator next round if that does happen. Then if Zod wins, we want us and the Hybrid in the eliminator in final three, and if Tracer wins, then we can kinda go whatever and consider ourselves as a chance in final 2.
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